Are Expensive Nozzles OVERRATED?
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Are Expensive Nozzles OVERRATED?
![Are Expensive 3D Printer Nozzles OVERRATED?](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FVU/J9K6/L7NCGOUN/FVUJ9K6L7NCGOUN.jpg&filename=Are Expensive 3D Printer Nozzles OVERRATED?)
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![Mellow vs 5A Plus.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/F3A/HC44/L7NCGTHW/F3AHC44L7NCGTHW.jpg&filename=Mellow vs 5A Plus.jpg)
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Those nozzles in the first picture look the same quality-wise. Only when we look closer, we can see the obvious difference (2nd photo). The “Mellow” brand V6 nozzle that costs around 10 times more looks way smoother and is very precisely made when compared to the cheap one. But that probably is no surprise for anyone, the only question is can you see the increase in quality in your prints? Well, this is what we going to test and find out.
Supplies
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USED ITEMS IN THE VIDEO:
- Kingroon KP3S 3D printer (Amazon) https://amzn.to/3Cr4byB
- Kingroon KP3S 3D printer (AliExpress) https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DBL0uIn
- Mellow NF V6 Nozzles (AliExpress) https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DmPMzUJ
- Trianglelab V6 Nozzles (AliExpress) https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DEs4Mrp
- Cheap 5A Plus Nozzles (AliExpress) https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DD1NaUF
TEST SETUP
![2-6x4.5.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FWT/7RYX/L7NCGP3V/FWT7RYXL7NCGP3V.jpg&filename=2-6x4.5.jpg)
![slicer settings3.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/F8Q/GYMN/L7NCGP1L/F8QGYMNL7NCGP1L.jpg&filename=slicer settings3.jpg)
So, first of all, I created a few basic test parts. What I like about the simple shapes is that they show any irregularities in the prints really well. But I will also include the little Cali-dragon print ( https://www.printables.com/model/209121-cali-dragon ) to test how different nozzles recreate all the small details.
All settings for every print will be identical. For the material, I am using metallic-blue color PLA that has a diameter tolerance of 0.03mm.
Sharp Object Prints
![sharp1.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/F5T/KETF/L7NCGP5A/F5TKETFL7NCGP5A.jpg&filename=sharp1.jpg)
![sharp2.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FJC/DSFM/L7NCGP5D/FJCDSFML7NCGP5D.jpg&filename=sharp2.jpg)
And now the results. All pictures were taken with the most light coming from above to expose the irregular layers the most.
First, the sharp object prints, and I don’t know, I would say the expensive nozzle has slightly more consistent lines. But looking from the other side, the lines look better on the cheap one. It’s a tough call to make and say which one looks better overall.
Round Object Prints
![round1m.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FYR/5T71/L7NCGP6L/FYR5T71L7NCGP6L.jpg&filename=round1m.jpg)
![round2m.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FRI/KZWF/L7NCGP6M/FRIKZWFL7NCGP6M.jpg&filename=round2m.jpg)
Next, the round object prints, and they again look very similar. The only thing that stands out is the lump around the outside where the inside top layer ends. The seams look equally bad on both of them, so again, there isn’t much difference.
Cali-Dragon Prints
![dragon1.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FSG/R8I5/L7NCGPAK/FSGR8I5L7NCGPAK.jpg&filename=dragon1.jpg)
![dragon2.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FQO/DEB3/L7NCGPAL/FQODEB3L7NCGPAL.jpg&filename=dragon2.jpg)
![dragon3.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FRJ/D7SX/L7NCGPAM/FRJD7SXL7NCGPAM.jpg&filename=dragon3.jpg)
![dragon4m.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FJE/MFL6/L7NCGPAN/FJEMFL6L7NCGPAN.jpg&filename=dragon4m.jpg)
Finally, the dragon print. And this is where, at least for me, the print looks smoother with the cheaper nozzle. The front is smoother, the sides are smoother, and only the tail is slightly off.
Lower Thermal Conductivity
![shine1.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/F4Y/GQVD/L7NCGPC9/F4YGQVDL7NCGPC9.jpg&filename=shine1.jpg)
But when I looked closer I noticed that prints with the cheaper nozzle had less shine. That means that the expensive nozzle transferred heat better, despite running the same file with all same settings.
200C VS 207C
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![207 3way comparison1.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FXY/6CNY/L7NCGPF7/FXY6CNYL7NCGPF7.jpg&filename=207 3way comparison1.jpg)
So, I changed the temperature in the GCODE file to 207C and reprinted it just to check if it will change anything. And there it is, now it shines on par with the expensive nozzle and still looks equally good.
Sanity Check
![Trianglelab V6 used 3.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FZ5/F1HC/L7NCGPI6/FZ5F1HCL7NCGPI6.jpg&filename=Trianglelab V6 used 3.jpg)
![t-lab 3way comparison1.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FV0/RM10/L7NCGPGZ/FV0RM10L7NCGPGZ.jpg&filename=t-lab 3way comparison1.jpg)
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![top layer 3way comparison.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FQH/MRWU/L7NCGPH1/FQHMRWUL7NCGPH1.jpg&filename=top layer 3way comparison.jpg)
So far results are quite surprising, so for the sanity check, I reprinted some files with an already used expensive “Trianglelab” V6 nozzle which had a perfectly round hole. And… yeah… again basically no difference whatsoever…
But maybe a smoother tip will result in better top layers??? Nope. They all look more or less the same.
How Bad Can Nozzle Be?
![TRASH comparison.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FCW/0K05/L7NCGPM0/FCW0K05L7NCGPM0.jpg&filename=TRASH comparison.jpg)
So that gave me an idea, of how bad the nozzle must be before we start seeing a noticeable difference. To do that I took the nozzle that had a lot of mileage, sanded the bottom from the burned PETG plastic, and just drilled into it with a tiny drill bit.
Ok...
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![first drilled trash nozzle 3way comparison2.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FVJ/V4Q0/L7NCGPOB/FVJV4Q0L7NCGPOB.jpg&filename=first drilled trash nozzle 3way comparison2.jpg)
![well lit env pla1 comparison.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FKB/RMTY/L7NCGPPH/FKBRMTYL7NCGPPH.jpg&filename=well lit env pla1 comparison.jpg)
Surely this will make the print look horrible right? Well again… NOPE… It looks just a tiny bit worse, and these are close-up shots, if we look in a more evenly lit environment and from a realistic distance it is almost impossible to spot any difference.
One Step Further
![TRASH2 2.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/F9T/JF7S/L7NCGPSX/F9TJF7SL7NCGPSX.jpg&filename=TRASH2 2.jpg)
The only question then – is how far we can go. This time I absolutely destroyed the nozzle, it is extremely rough and the filament just curls upwards. But, this time instead of easy-to-print PLA, I will be using PETG as it sticks to the nozzle like crazy. That combined with an uneven surface will give the worst-case scenario of irregular lines and unwanted blobs in the print.
Destroyed Nozzle PETG Results
![damaged vs tlab 1.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FO2/UWSX/L7NCGPVF/FO2UWSXL7NCGPVF.jpg&filename=damaged vs tlab 1.jpg)
![damaged vs tlab 3D.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FFI/79XO/L7NCGPVM/FFI79XOL7NCGPVM.jpg&filename=damaged vs tlab 3D.jpg)
![damaged vs tlab 4D.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FFQ/N3P0/L7NCGPVR/FFQN3P0L7NCGPVR.jpg&filename=damaged vs tlab 4D.jpg)
![IMG_7811.JPG](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FKP/HPYC/L7NCGPZ7/FKPHPYCL7NCGPZ7.jpg&filename=IMG_7811.JPG)
![TRASH2 2.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/F6N/1LK9/L7NCGQ0S/F6N1LK9L7NCGQ0S.jpg&filename=TRASH2 2.jpg)
And did it do the trick????? …Look at this point I don’t know what to say. Yeah, it looks worse, there is more stringing, some bad-looking overhangs, and definitions don’t pop out that much and look more flat. But if you would say this was printed with such a badly damaged nozzle, I would say it’s a straight lie.
Again, looking at these in not specifically created conditions to expose the problems and with strings removed, it is mind-blowing how similar they look and the drastic difference in nozzles.
Two Steps Further
![TRASH3 2.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FWC/C68O/L7NCGQ55/FWCC68OL7NCGQ55.jpg&filename=TRASH3 2.jpg)
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But can we push even further? Oh yes, we can! Behold! The abomination V2 with a teardrop-looking hole and deep scratches!
This time I will go back to PLA just to have a comparison with all other prints, well if it prints at all. And the start was rough – poor first layer adhesion that ultimately led to failed print. But luckily the second one finished successfully and we can make a comparison.
Kinda Mind-blowing
![abomination v2 vs mellow.jpg](/proxy/?url=https://content.instructables.com/FSB/LW23/L7NCGQIE/FSBLW23L7NCGQIE.jpg&filename=abomination v2 vs mellow.jpg)
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The first thing that catches the eye is the overhangs, they look way worse when compared to the expensive nozzle. Also, there is a more noticeable loss of detail and the dragon skin part is smoothed out even more now.
But it is still hard to believe how bad your nozzle must be before you start seeing all these problems. So, in summary, does this mean that expensive nozzles are overrated? Well, yes and no.
Like tests showed cheap nozzles can have lower thermal conductivity due to lower-grade brass and less precise machining tolerances. And that will affect the max speed at which you can print and the longevity of the nozzle.
The key point to take away from this is that you shouldn’t expect that expensive nozzle to be like a miracle and make your prints magically better. As you saw we basically got identical results, despite the insane 10-time cost.
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